Posted By: rwc (11:01am 11-05-2009)

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It's none of your business what my personal life is. If I hadn't been alone with two kids at one time in my life, I wouldn't know about the BCSE.AGAIN I'LL CALL YOU ON THIS.YOU ARE THE ONE WHO POSTED ON ANOTHER COMMENTS BOARD THAT YOU RAISED YOUR KIDS ALONE,AND THAT YOU HAD NO HELP.NOW YOU POST THAT YOU DID IN FACT REMARRY,AND YOU DID HAVE HELP RAISING YOUR KIDS AND PUTTING THEM THROUGH COLLEGE,WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I CALLED YOU ON THIS.I DON'T KNOW YOU,AND AFTER SEEING HOW YOUR ATTITUDE OF "I'M BETTER THAN YOU" IS,WOULDN'T CARE TO KNOW YOU.I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU,BUT WHEN YOU POST TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS,AND THEN MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT SOMEONE,THEN YES I DID PUT YOU INTO A DIFFERENT LIGHT TO LET THESE PEOPLE KNOW JUST HOW YOU ARE AND HOW TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS.DON'T LIKE IT,DON'T POST YOU PERSONAL LIFE AND EXPECT PEOPLE NOT TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU HAVE STATED.

Posted By: One Opinion (10:25am 11-05-2009)

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rwc and Taxpayer....Bravo! Call 'em like you see 'em!
Kat - you need to read up on the Uniform Interstaet Family Support Act.
FF&C is part of it but was expanded upon. It was created in 1994 and adopted by WV in 1997 as in most other states. I agree FL is a deadbeat haven....surprised mine hasn't ran off to FL yet....I'm only saying they don't cooperate and are not punised for it.

Posted By: kittykat (9:38am 11-05-2009)

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RWC, I'm going to say this then move on. You are a creep. I have no idea who you are or what you've posted because you obviously haven't caught my interest the way I've caught yours. I find it very odd that you've been keeping track of me from other boards and evidently came on to this one just because of me. It's none of your business what my personal life is. If I hadn't been alone with two kids at one time in my life, I wouldn't know about the BCSE. In other words, I have an interest in this story while you are just here to comment on my comments. This discussion has nothing to do with BCSE but with you strange obsession with me and my personal life. So there is no reason to go any further with this. I feel sorry for you. I suppose you are one of those strange sad types who always got picked last in school so you're not really fair game. But that's not my fault. You are also clearly jealous. Again, it's not my fault that you have whatever crappy situation you do.

Posted By: Taxpayer (8:54am 11-05-2009)

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Great Satire LIBERTYLOVER, a little sick, but creative.

Posted By: libertylover (12:28am 11-05-2009)

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What is so wrong with the father of a child not wanting the responsibility of it? A woman does not need to get permission from the father of the fetus in her womb to abort the pregnancy. A woman's right to choose, whether you agree with it or not, is her's solely. So if a woman has the right to end a pregnancy whether the father wants her to or not, why doesn't the father have the right to choose as well? The woman chose to have it and since she is the only person who can make that choice she should bear the full responsibility of that choice. I have no children; I choose to take precautions to prevent pregnancy. I also have great disdain that my tax dollars go to support children of mothers who do not work or who do not make enough to properly care for them. They bore the children so they should now bear the responsibility.

Posted By: Taxpayer (8:03pm 11-04-2009)

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KittyKat, If you really feel the need to know more about me, here ya go:

I own a small telecom/data contracting business. I am a 50 yr old male with one grown married child. I'm a military veteran and have never had any dealings with any social service department in the State of WV. I'm afraid you may have made a rash judgment of me.

It's ok.... with these anonymous postings, we can be anyone we want... no vetting process here. LOL

Posted By: rwc (6:06pm 11-04-2009)

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btw taxpayer,how about you being a bcse troll?are you going to be her next"stalker"?her comments has had me lmao.she puts her own comments out there and expects no one to remember them.then when people call her on them,she resorts to the name calling and accusations that she can't back up.

Posted By: rwc (5:34pm 11-04-2009)

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kittykat, you are the one who posted that YOU raised your kids,not once saying that you had been remarried and that you had help,leading people to believe you were a single mother.now YOU are at it again,only this time you admit to being married to a ambulance chaser,putting people down,calling people various names in the process.it's funny that certain people get mad because you catch them in their own lies,then accuse you of being a "stalker".i read the comments on some stories,especially when it comes to the most absurd comments,and kat,you take the cake on that,along with one called one citizen.you have to make your comments,but then you have to be a two year old by calling names.so yes,i do give people insight into the ones making the comments.

Posted By: kittykat (5:02pm 11-04-2009)

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P.S. RWC, you are getting creepier by the minute. I quit posting when the horse I'm beating is dead. At some point, the discussion dies. You are clearly baiting me but I won't take it any further because you clearly have issues that make it unwise to engage you any further.

Posted By: kittykat (5:00pm 11-04-2009)

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RWC, are you some sort of stalker? I raised my kids both on my own and with a new husband. You can do both. How much do you want to know about me anyway? I find you strangely interested in me. And I do think MTR supporters are uninformed and the facts show they are often violent thugs. Ignorant people can do a lot of damage -MTR supporters and BCSE workers are prime examples. I'm not sure why anyone would tell "tall tales" about having a dead beat for an ex or raising children alone or remarrying. If I were to tell tall tales, I'd come up with something a little more noteworthy. I find it very odd that you are following me from board to board and sharing information about me with other posters. You need to get a life and you're more than a little creepy. And Taxpayer, I can spot a BCSE troll from a mile away. You too proved my point by dishing your bad information. How could anyone working in your business not know what the FF&C clause is?

Posted By: rwc (4:13pm 11-04-2009)

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oops,i made a typo,i meant caught

Posted By: rwc (4:12pm 11-04-2009)

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taxpayer sorry, i wasn't trying to be funny,although now that i see what i wrote,i understand.i will find the comment that i talk about.it just irks me to see and listen to people badmouth others they way they do,and then get cuaght into a lie,especially when it come to kittykat.when the heat gets turned up,she'll quit posting,always does.

Posted By: Taxpayer (4:02pm 11-04-2009)

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RWC.... lol ur too funny. Good one :)

Posted By: rwc (3:54pm 11-04-2009)

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eliz,what you don't know is that kittykat has told tall tales.once she wrote that she raised her own kids by herself(i'll find it and repost where she made that comment on coal comment section).she has called people thugs,terrorists,fat and lazy among other comments.she now has posted that she and an ambulance chaser raised her kids,so does that go to her credibilty?apparently,now she knows it all too.

Posted By: Eliz (2:37pm 11-04-2009)

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kittykat, are you labeling all BCSE people as smug, arrogant and contemptuous of the people they are supposed to be helping. I personally never had to deal with BCSE but my sister has. I don't think, all BCSE workers are the same. My sister was fortunate to have a BSCE worker who worked tirelessly on her behalf. I assisted my sister with the pursue collection of back child support from her ex-husband...who is still paying back child support up until his retirement. The children never had one bad word from their mother about their Dad. As they got older, they figure it out on their owe. As women, we have to be educated ourselves on the law in order to help collect this debt. I still say that luck had nothing to do with you finding a good man, you were blessed by God.

Posted By: kittykat (12:36am 11-04-2009)

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One Opinion See Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution for the full faith and credit clause. It was around long before child support laws. And Florida is notorious for harboring dead beats of all kinds in no small part to their bankruptcy laws. People think the only way to collect child support is through a hack agency like BCSE. But the laws on collecting judgments apply to all judgments. Any one with a child support order and a judgment order can pursue collection of back child support just like any other debt (execution order, suggestee, garnishment, etc.). The bad information you will get from the BCSE is truly stunning. What's worse is they all think they know what they are talking about when all they are doing is passing out bad legal advice. Every idiot BCSE worker thinks she's a lawyer.

Posted By: One Opinion (10:48am 11-04-2009)

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Jes - no BCSE not charge a fee for services. There is a fee due however the agency pays it for you.
Kittykat - your reference to 'full faith and credit' is actually called Uniform Interstate Family Support Act. I'm sure Taxpayer is aware of the federal regulations governing interstate cases but what I think what they meant is that Florida refuses to cooperate with other states and is of very little assistance yet they suffer no repercussions for their lack of assistance. I know this to be true from experience.

Posted By: kittykat (9:35am 11-04-2009)

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Taxpayer, there's something in the U.S. Constitution called "full faith and credit" and it requires states to recognize judgments from other states. The federal government is already involved in child support collections. The IRS confiscates taxes and everyone who applies for everything from a drivers licenses to a job is now required to submit information about child support obligations. No state residents are exempt from child support judgments in other states. Sounds like you've been getting your information from the BCSE.

Posted By: pacaderm (8:29am 11-04-2009)

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Isn't it amazing that no matter how many "proises" are made from the loving, caring Democrats they cannot seem to find sorry fathers, all the while they pile on more layers of useless government bureaucrats? I'll tell you this. If the libtards want your hard earned money to pay for welfare queens or union benefits they seem to be able to get it pretty fast.

Posted By: Taxpayer (8:24am 11-04-2009)

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News flash.... why do you think most deadbeat dads go to Florida? They have almost zero reciprocation with other states on ANY "state" court actions. And there is a huge underground economy. Several other southern states are also deadbeat dad havens. Until there is Federal action taken on this issue it will continue to be like it was in the Al Capone days… just cross the state line and your scot free. You and I will be on the hook to feed, clothe, educate and incarcerate their children.

Posted By: kittykat (3:25pm 11-03-2009)

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Byrdwatcher, this sort of thing is very, very common at BCSE. If a judgment holder of any kind does not renew a judgment after ten years (by making an attempt to collect such as a writ of execution or filing an abstract of the judgment) the ten year statute expires and the judgment is unenforceble. Regularly, judgment creditors on child support orders challenge their dismissals in the Supreme Court but they always lose for not diligently pursuing their remedies. What that means is that BCSE drops the ball even though the judgment creditor has usually been diligent in trying to get the BCSE to do its job. That's why those cases are so heart rendering. It's not just women those idiots screw over. The BCSE even will continue to collect on a judgment they failed to renew making the creditors subject to actions for overpayment. It's really a shame. But most of BCSE victims are low income so nothing is done. Women with means can opt out of using BCSE and they do, of course.

Posted By: jes (2:46pm 11-03-2009)

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I think the agencies even charge a fee for their services. Does that sound correct?

Posted By: ByrdWatcher (1:55pm 11-03-2009)

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Hmmm...I wonder how often this has happened and hasn't been reported?

Posted By: jes (10:14am 11-03-2009)

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Not all parents who go through the agency do it because they are on welfare. More often than not, it's been to make sure that court ordered child support IS being paid and fairly as it is mandated by the court. No haggling, no arguing. Period. For as many parents that can't GET child support, there are parents paying support have often been burned by their exes.

Posted By: kittykat (9:34am 11-03-2009)

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cont' no thanks to BCSE. I was lucky enough to be able to let it go. Like another poster, my ex-husband took a bad path in life and it snowballed until he destroyed himself. There was no point in me going after him after a certain point. It was cruel. It's a very, very, very long story. But like the woman who is suing DHHR, my order expired (what this woman doesn't know is that it's a decretal order and she can still collect before each month's obligation becomes ten years old). I let my order expire though, but the BCSE did nothing. I knew they wouldn't. The point is, if I had been dependent on them to collect at that point, I too would have been SOL because the BCSE didn't reduce the arearage to a judgment and preserve the original order - which is what has happened to this woman. You BCSE people can troll the board all you want but it won't change the fact that you are incompetent. Weren't you put in receivership by the feds at one point?

Posted By: kittykat (9:28am 11-03-2009)

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Eliz, who said anything about women trying to collect support? I feel for anyone dealing with BCSE. Not every mother is lucky enough to marry a good man willing to take on another man's children. My observations about BCSE were first hand. No one there seemed to know what they were doing. They were smug, arrogant and contemptuous of the people they were supposed to be helping. Anyone who disagrees with me probably hasn't dealt with BCSE. If you ever need to collect support and you don't have an order in hand and an employer and have all the information the BCSE is supposed to collect, then you are screwed. They are mostly paper pushers. If they have an order and the location of the father, then it's just a matter of paperwork. They go no further and make no extra effort. My support order expired because I let it. Not only was I lucky enough to find a good man, I found one who is a lawyer. That chapter was closed long ago for me.
con't

Posted By: WVU#1FAN (9:06am 11-03-2009)

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#1skinsfan... u hit the nail on the head... that is the judge overseeing my case and hes worthless. He will not have my vote next time around.

Posted By: NPanhandle (9:55pm 11-02-2009)

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Wow... notice all of the regular "family values" posters on here are now admitting their divorces and single motherhood. Hypocrisy is all they know.

Posted By: #1skinsfan! (8:46pm 11-02-2009)

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Do not vote for Judge Kelly next election~! He does not care about who is owed child support or getting you properly compensated!

Posted By: Eliz (8:34pm 11-02-2009)

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KITTYKAT, woman to woman.... no you were not fortunate but blessed to meet another man to help you raise your children that their deadbeat Dad did not take care of. Now, why do you want to put down a woman for trying to collect unpaid child support or being fat. Ladies can eliminate the fat honey but a ugly heart remains. I agree you the others you need to Chill Kitty Kat.

Posted By: trslthouse (8:09pm 11-02-2009)

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I personally tracked down the name of my Ex's employer in order to receive my benefits, then was told that his employer did not exist in the data base. I handed him over to them, and they quickly had a withholding order sent to his employer. I have always worked and have taken care of my child. Her father holds a professional license,and decided that his lifestyle was more important than his child support obligation.
As everyone who has renewed a drivers license in WV knows, there is a box to check on the renewal form if you have a child support obligation. Now, who in their right mind is going to check "yes"? I asked the DMV clerk if there was a network set up between them and the Child Support office. I was told that they do not have any way to track such things. BINGO !!! The man or woman who has a huge arrearage is granted a renewed license. And how do the boards that grant and renew professional licenses know to revoke those as well?

Posted By: MU4WVU2 (7:04pm 11-02-2009)

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Seems like the problem is not restricted to WV. My daughter lives in South Carolina and has basically the same problems as stated here. She runs the bum down and notifies the agency who tells her he has to be within the county before action can be taken. I thought there was a fed deadbeat law. She had friends who delivered him to the proper county and the judge allowed him 6 months as guest. Girlfriends and current wife and relatives made contact to get him released as he had no way to pay $25G while incarcerated. Judge properly stated he made no attempt while he was free to make payments.

After release he made one payment, and daughter went back to authorities. She was told that she would have to locate him and file papers within that (his residence)county as they didn't want to be involved again.

Since I have provided upkeep for eleven years, I have asked daughter to remove his parental rights. She will not since the cost is $1500 and atty must be engaged. The kid isA+

Posted By: mydomino1978 (6:27pm 11-02-2009)

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Part of the problem is the huge turnover in case workers. Everytime I would call I sould have a new worker. I would also time how long I was on hold and keep a record. Many times I would be on hold for an hour or more. Why not hire people who will do the job, and do it right? Also, sometimes a case worker really tries, but the attorneys they work through are a big part of the problem. If you can't get an attorney to advocate your case before a judge you will never get anywhere. the whole system is bad, like most systems. I work and I support my children, but it takes more than one paycheck to raise children and give them the things they need. I am not talking designer clothes, I am talking about paying for school lunch, and reasonable activities such as Scouts or music lessons or sports. Both parents need to contribute to ensure a good life for their offspring and that means both of them working and contributing fairly.

Posted By: rwc (5:42pm 11-02-2009)

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theydon'tcareaboutus, is clearly a BCSE worker and a perfect example of just what I'm talking about. She is uneducated, judgmental, uninformed and has a misplaced sense of superiority. KITTYKAT,again,just what is your problem with the name calling?Is everyone around you uneducated.Seems to me you are the judgemental,uninformed,uneducated and so superior to anyone else.Constantly you put people down for their opinions.You comments about people being fat again and miners are thugs,it's no wonder your first left,and definately that the second has stuck around with that stuck on yourself attitude.

Posted By: lgshort (4:34pm 11-02-2009)

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Sounds fair to me.

Posted By: bjmoore17 (4:30pm 11-02-2009)

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I am owed about $7,000 in arrears from my son's father. He has moved so many times and the BCSE loses track of him. I have had the police run a check on his SS# and they find him in a matter of minutes, so why can't the BCSE? When he stops paying support, I know he's skipped out again, so I call up the people I know with the police and they find him again. Then I give the info to the BCSE. I should probably get paid for doing their job, but instead I get a hard time.
FYI: I make enough to support my child very well. His father was wonderful when we were first together. AFter my son was born, he started doing drugs and I didn't want to raise my son around him and the people he was involved with. He was given many chances to give up the drugs, but he didn't. He hasn't seen my son since he was two years old. But, I always find his a$$ and he'll help pay for my son. He can try to run, but he can't hide.

Posted By: WVU#1FAN (4:02pm 11-02-2009)

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I agree Malfoy.. and the sad thing is its always the child that suffers from all of this. Children dont ask to be brought into this world and they shouldnt have to go without their needs being met. If you have a child you dont want to take care of or provide for, there are plenty of childless couples out there who would love to take that responsibility for you.

Posted By: malfoy (3:47pm 11-02-2009)

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Then you have the cases where the mother stays on welfare for 18 years, always having the BCSE chipping away at every raise the father gets, never accepts more than a part-time job so that her benefits won't be reduced, and remains a drain on society. There are AT LEAST as many dead-beat mothers out there as there are fathers.

Posted By: WVU#1FAN (3:42pm 11-02-2009)

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To WVJazz... Whether I spend the money or not, I should not be expected to pay this back when its not my fault there was an overage. I did everything i could to fix it. I called the BCSE... they told me there is nothing they can do until the judge sends the order in. Like I said.. this occured 1 month after my hearing. I consider that plenty of time to get the order in so this kind of mix up doesnt happen.

To those of you slamming us single mothers.. I work 40 hours a week at a good paying job. I make enough money to support my daughter and me. I dont need my ex's money, but he helped bring my daughter into this world and therefore that makes him responsible for her welfare as well.

Theydontcareaboutus-- ever heard the phrase "it takes two to tango?" a woman cant bring a child into this world alone and no child should have to go without simply because her parents messed up.

Posted By: kittykat (2:22pm 11-02-2009)

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What truth? My kids are both young adults and graduated from college. It's all moot for me. And since when do BCSE workers get to decide who's worthy or not? So, it's your opinion as a BCSE worker that any woman who's dumb enough to have a kid by a loser doesn't deserve child support? Because that's what you're saying. As far as working, I've worked for 22 years and I remarried years ago so I was fortunately, able to raise my children well without the help of BCSE. Not all women are that lucky. You too have proven everything I've said. Clearly you and the other poster from BCSE exact your judgments on your clients. I suppose you enjoy that. Must give you great satisfaction. Congratulations. Seems your one accomplishment in life is pulling the wings off of flies and getting paid for it by the State. How do you feel about the fat tax by the way, because I think it's a heck of an idea.

Posted By: malfoy (2:10pm 11-02-2009)

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WVU77, that's because when the mother is on welfare, which SOOOOO many are, the BCSE gets involved whether they like it or not.

Posted By: kittykat (1:57pm 11-02-2009)

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theydon'tcareaboutus, is clearly a BCSE worker and a perfect example of just what I'm talking about. She is uneducated, judgmental, uninformed and has a misplaced sense of superiority. theydon'tcareaboutus also appears to carry a chip on her shoulder towards not only the people who she's paid to work for but her employer as well. Hey honey, I have bad news, not only are you not underpaid and overworked, you're underworked and overpaid. Deadbeats know no socioeconomic status, or educational status. Once dad finds him a new miss thang, the kids take a back seat. I figure you will find out some day because I doubt anyone will put up with you for very long. And the reason you make $27,589 a year is because you're not worth any more than that. I hope everyone at the BCSE is working in a crummy little cubicle, beside a loud mouthed complaining, fat do-nothing. I hope you all are on top of each other and you're crummy little lives are miserable as they deserve to be.

Posted By: WVU77 (1:23pm 11-02-2009)

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Why is it some state agency's job to get your support for you? Why can't you file your own petition with the Judge and collect it?

Posted By: kittykat (11:42am 11-02-2009)

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How about trying to collect support and having the BCSE tell you they can't locate the father, then it turns out the guy is working two blocks away from the BCSE office! I mean, these people are a cesspool of stupidity. They are also, smug, unprofessional, indifferent and self important. Most of the idiots at BCSE make less than $30,000 (they're overpaid as far as I'm concerned) but they they look down on the people they are supposed to be working for. Give some loser a little bit of power and a dangerous amount of knowledge and you have your average BCSE worker.

Posted By: WVU#1FAN (11:05am 11-02-2009)

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Im in a similar situation with the BCSE as some of you have said you are. I had a hearing in September, where the judge lowered my ex's child support. When I received my next payment, it was the same as it had been. I called and spoke to someone at BCSE to tell her he doesnt owe this much anymore and she told me that the BCSE cant lower the support amount until they receive the order from the judge. This was a month after my hearing and the judge still had not sent in the order. I agree that the BCSE is a mess, but sometimes its the judge that is the root of the problem. I was told that after they get the order, there will be a meeting with the judge to discuss if I owe the overage to my ex or if the state is liable. If they say I am liable, someone will be sued because I am not at fault here. The judge is.

Posted By: WVUAccountant (11:01am 11-02-2009)

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Ok for those of you who have read and commented on this. The point of sueing DHHR is that she no longer has the legal ability to sue her ex-husband. Once the statute of limitations has run, one can no longer be held legally accountable for said crime. What I'm confused about is how that can be used as grounds for dismissal when she, the petitioner made said claim before the statute had run. I don't see how having the hearing postponed would apply here, as I thought the date come the petitioner was all that mattered.

Posted By: mydomino1978 (10:47am 11-02-2009)

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Ok, me again. My husband committed suicide, and was $50,000 in arrearage. They were notified immediately, but they never took any action to recoup any money from the estate. So my kids ended up with guess what, zip, zilch, zero. I say sue them, sue them over again, and keep doing it until they are punished enough that they figure out it might be more cost efficient to do the job they are paid for.

Posted By: tshamblin (10:38am 11-02-2009)

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The office is incompetent. In dealing with them for the past 15 years, I have encountered nothing but mistakes, delays, etc. My children were on the receiving end of dealing with the BCSE, but rarely received on time or in the right amount.

Posted By: One Opinion (10:37am 11-02-2009)

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To kittycat - only Kanawha and Clay county offices are privatized. All other offices are government offices.
to lige4abe and ItsJustMe - the father is responsible for the money owed however when you file for Child Support Services, it's the same as hiring an attorney - they are required to take actions in a certain period of time. If you hired an attorney who didn't do their job in a timely fashion and it was at your expense wouldn't you sue the attorney and hold them liable? It's the same difference.

Posted By: WVUAccountant (10:36am 11-02-2009)

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Ok for those of you who have read and commented on this. The point of sueing DHHR is that she no longer has the legal ability to sue her ex-husband. Once the statute of limitations has run, one can no longer be held legally accountable for said crime. What I'm confused about is how that can be used as grounds for dismissal when she, the petitioner made said claim before the statute had run. I don't see how having the hearing postponed would apply here, as I thought the date come the petitioner was all that mattered.

Posted By: kittykat (9:50am 11-02-2009)

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There are no words to describe the incompetence of the the Bureau of Child Support Enforcement and because they are privatized, the governor's office refuses to to anything about it. The BCSE is the reason I will never vote for Joe Manchin. As far as I'm concerned, there are people at BCSE who should be in prison.

Posted By: malfoy (8:45am 11-02-2009)

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mydomino is correct. the bureau needs a lawsuit like this to shake them up and make them, for 'once', start doing their jobs. and don't blame it on the workers alone. they are very short-staffed... the classic 'overworked and underpaid' cliche applies here. it's horrible from the top down.

Posted By: mydomino1978 (8:02am 11-02-2009)

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After years and years of dealing with the WV Child Advocates office I can tell you they are worse than useless. They don't collect, they don't file, they make mistakes and over collect from fathers. I have never ever heard one positive story in all the years I have talked to other parents, no matter which end they are on, the paying or the receiving.

Posted By: vashti (7:52am 11-02-2009)

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wonder who postponed the hearing and why?

Posted By: lige4abe (6:22am 11-02-2009)

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Maybe she should sue her ex-husband and not blame her problems on the government.

Posted By: curiousme (5:53am 11-02-2009)

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Oh, I hope she wins but the court awards her more.