July 3, 2009
Would Galileo buy global warming?
Skepticism is the critical tool of science
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FOR 2,000 years, the scientific debate was settled. The ancient Greeks had studied the skies, and had determined by the 4th century before Christ that the Earth was the center of the universe.

The heavenly bodies rotated around the Earth in little wheels. Except for a few geocentric deniers, most scientists agreed, and in addition, the Holy Scripture said so.

They had proof. Using their calculations, they could prove where the planet and the Moon and the Sun would be at any one time.

True, these bodies did not exactly circle the Earth in concentric circles, but there was an explanation that was long and too complicated to go into here.

Then along came this troublemaker, Nicolaus Copernicus. He was a mathematician and an astronomer in Poland, and he came up with a whole new set of calculations that had the Earth rotating the Sun.

This was in the 1500s. After he died, his theory got Galileo Galilei in a whole lot of trouble.

Galileo supported Copernicus' theory, which put him at odds with his fellow scientists and the Catholic Church.

Scientists at that time had no power.

The church was another matter. It had a lot of power, and church officials at the time believed that the Earth did not move (it is in Psalms), and that to say otherwise was heresy.

For more than 15 years, Galileo fought the church. But in 1633, Galileo finally recanted and said the Earth was the center of the universe.

In 1992, Pope John Paul II expressed regret and officially recognized that no, the Earth is not the center of the universe.

That was a little late for Galileo, but the audience for that retraction was the living, not those who have long departed this Earth.

Today, the Church of Manmade Global Warming holds that man's sin of materialism is causing the Earth to burn up.

Apparently there was a vote and many scientists agreed that man was causing global warming. As with the $787 billion stimulus, the $410 billion budget, and the cap-and-trade tax, no one read the thing before voting.

The theory is that the global warming is happening because of man's generation of "greenhouse gases." Greenhouses seem to be good for plants.

The adherents to the theory of manmade global warming have computer models and everything that take into account all sorts of factors, except the one that may matter most - solar activity.

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Posted By: One Citizen (1:44pm 07-11-2009)
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MTNMDC is a simpleton. In '05, scientists compared computer calculations with long-term measurements of temperatures in the world's oceans (it's not in the air but the massive oceans that most of any added heat soon winds up). In each separate ocean basin, they showed a close match between rising temperatures at particular depths, and calculations of where the greenhouse effect should appear. This was telling evidence that the computer models were on the right track. Nothing but greenhouse gases could produce the observed ocean warming — and other changes that were now showing up in many parts of the world, as predicted.

In other words, these experts had confirmed that they'd nailed down an imbalance. The Earth is now taking in from sunlight nearly a watt per square meter more than it is radiating back into space, averaged over the planet’s entire surface. And that's enough energy to cause truly serious effects if they continue. http://tinyurl.com/4l8qex

Posted By: One Citizen (1:18pm 07-11-2009)
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Does Surber really think that Galileo wouldn't support overwhelming scientific evidence?

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Programme.

Through the IPCC, climate experts from around the world synthesize the most recent climate science findings every 5 to 7 years and present their report to world political leaders. The IPCC has issued comprehensive assessments in '90, '96, '01 and most recently the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) released in '07

AR4 is the most comprehensive synthesis of climate change science to date. Experts from more than 130 countries contributed to this assessment, which represents years of work. More than 450 lead authors received input from more than 800 contributors, and an additional 2,500 experts reviewed the draft documents

First the Church arrests Galileo and now Donnie the Denier wants to torture his legacy of scientific integrity

sheesh

Posted By: One Citizen (1:17pm 07-11-2009)
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Odd that Surber used the Vatican to justify skepticism, especially when at a recent Vatican conference on climate change, Pope Benedict urged bishops, scientists and politicians to "respect creation" while "focusing on the needs of sustainable development"

Skepticism is fine but in the case of global climate change, willful ignorance of factual evidence is so dangerously stupid it is unforgivable

The fact is that man made greenhouse gases in the past 200 years SINCE Surber's "little ice age" have increased regardless of solar activity. Although the increase in global temperature in the first half of the 20th century may have been largely due to an increase in solar activity, the continued warming in recent decades cannot be explained by increases in solar radiation alone. So Surber's "recovery" from the "little ice age" is a myth completely overwhelmed by scientific facts. http://tinyurl.com/mzc7e8

BTW Surber the "skeptic" also recommended voting for Bush/ Cheney. TWICE

Posted By: skepdoc (8:06pm 07-10-2009)
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See Dick jump!
Jump,jump,jump!
Jump Dick!

Oh no ! Run : The radio has announced that we are being invaded by Martians...Fight and kill : There are WMD's in Iraq...Commit suicide : Jimbo says that death from Koolaid is superior than the death planned by a higher power...Hand over your money : The State says we have a healthcare crisis...Get injected : The State says we are being attacked by viruses...Sit obediently in a concrete bunker run by The State for 12 (or 16) years : Otherwise you will have no chance to be educated properly...Report suspicious looking citizens to The State : We are constantly under attack from terrorists...Don't get too close to that bag of heroin and syringes : Otherwise they will assemble themselves and immediately find a vein and inject chemicals that are not apporoved by The State...Register your gun and your perverted old uncle to The State : Because otherwise we will be overrun by mass murderers and rapists.

Don't reason : It'd kill The State.

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